Joy Bryant wrote a blog over at Essence.com. And she’s being half sarcastic and half real about her own addiction to weave. ANd how Tyra’s “real hair” realization has no effect on her:
As the threads of the grown-out tracks were being snipped, I broke out my laptop and began my ritualistic daily web search. I go from news of the day to articles/blogs about the news of the day, ending up on entertainment/gossip/fashion stuff.
But that day, something caught my attention and trumped all of the glowing reviews of President Obama’s health care speech:It was Tyra’s hair.
National Real Hair Day? I missed that one…In fact, on National Real Hair Day, I was calling Extensions Plus in L.A. to make sure they had enough of the 20” “relaxed roots” texture hair that I love oh so much (and that keeps selling out like crazy!), and making an appointment to get my hair, I mean, my weave, hooked up.
So Tyra, while I didn’t take part in your observance, I just want to say: “WOW!” You are such a brave woman for breaking the chains that bound you since your teenage years! What courage that took, for you to expose yourself to millions of people! Such fearlessness!
Oh, how I wish I had the guts to do that. I guess I’m much too much of an insecure, self-loathing Negro for all that self-acceptance foolishness.
I’m glad we got down to solving the mystery of what’s under your lace-front, though. I mean seriously, it was “THE” question that has perplexed the world over. And now we see that there’s a beautiful head of hair underneath it all, hair that was surprisingly relaxed and ready for the world. Whodathunkit?! If I had the same length and fullness of hair that you have, I might take my weave out too.Ha!!!! I’m just playing! Even if I DID have your “real” hair, I’d still be wearing a few tracks or clip-ons up in there.
Why?
Because I’m straight weave fo life, kid!!!
Ima ride ride wit this weave, die die with this weave!!
Let me break it down for you:
See, I loooooove taking new hair out of the bag, combing through it with my fingers, holding it up with my two hands, and burying my face in it. Mmmm, mmmm, mmm! Nothing like a new batch of zig-zag curly to get your self esteem out of the dumps!The feeling of getting my hair, I mean, my weave done over. I feel human again. I feel sexy. I feel powerful. It makes me feel…it makes me feel…it makes feel like a natural woman!!!
I can be whatever, whoever I want to be with the stroke of a sewing needle…
With long brown tresses and a tan, I’m Pocahontas, ’cause I got Indian in my family. With easy waves, I AM bohemian rhapsody goddess personified. And now that I got blond highlights! What!? I know I look like Beyonce! You can’t tell me nothing! Uh oh, uh oh…
And then I looked up from my computer, and caught a glimpse in the mirror of my head minus the long weavy locks. I looked crazy! Awww hell naw! I looked over at the new batch of hair sitting off to the side waiting to join forces with me. Damnit, I’m trapped, I thought to myself. I can’t let it go. I am powerless over it. Just when I think I’m done, it pulls me back in!
Now I guess I can get help for my self-loathing addiction.
I can learn to accept myself in my entirety. I can emancipate myself from that which keeps me locked-up. I can embrace the natural state of things.Yup, I can do all of that…
But don’t hold your breath!
Hi, my name is Joy, and I’m a weave-a-holic.
Hilarity.
Pics of YBF chick Kerry Washington when you read the rest…
The gorgeousness that is Kerry Washington was in San Sebastian, Spain this weekend promoting her new movie Mother And Child. And she rocked this fabulous Catherine Malandrino Resort 2010v look:
Loves it.
Tue, September 29, 2009 1:58 PM
Kerry looks great.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:00 PM
really joy, you’re a slave to weave, but um why does it look so wack like 99% of time?
i don’t think i’ve ever seen her with a nice cute hair style…oh joy….maybe you should talk to tyra’s people cause her weave be on point!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:03 PM
Joy is just mad because she been in the game for a while and is still a D-Lister. (Patting her on the back) “It’s okay sweetie”
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:03 PM
I read that Joy Bryant blog on another website last week and LMAO at her obsession with her weave. Joy, i heart you, but weave or no weave, sometimes you still look a thrown together mess and Tyra still manages to work it (most of the time) with or without the weave. Just sayin…
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:04 PM
The Joy Bryant bog was hilarious! But soooo last week. Why’d it take so long to reach this site? Tsk tsk tsk
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:07 PM
wow!! she truly is beautiful! kerry i mean… joy… really child, it’s alright..lol
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:10 PM
Why the wannabe always the one cheezin’ the hardest in pictures?
The other people look like they can’t wait to get away from her….Just saying…
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:10 PM
I rock my hair in it’s natural state and love every minute of it. Why be so wack and sneek dissing people cause you like weaves? I can see if your sh*t was icy. Her weave always look tragic.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:10 PM
Them Loubie’s Kerry has on, I know they are killing her toes softly..jeez!! But she gorgeous nonetheless..I love her films.
Joy is retarded, lmao
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:11 PM
wow joy bryant actually looks moisturized in this picture.
pretty.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:12 PM
Foolishness..Joy really boo?
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:12 PM
I actually like Joy! That blog was hilarious…I feel her with the weave thing I love my weave and i’ll never let it go. I’m with Joy on this Give me my weave or give me death!!!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:12 PM
lol… @ Joy. Girl you crazy. I feel you. I feel new with my new hair too, rub my fingers through it fresh outta the bag, not able to wait to rub that ish once it gets into my head. LMBO!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:12 PM
I love Joy! OMG that was sooo funny. lol!!! I love it!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:12 PM
THATS RIGHT JOY WEAVE FOE LIFE FUCK THE HATERS ABOVE!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:12 PM
Kerry is gorgeous!!! love her entire look. no one can really hate her.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:13 PM
Co-sign! I didn’t know she had a weave because it always looks so bad. She need to talk to Tyra’s people or Gabby, Sanna or somebody!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:14 PM
Joy – cute and hilarious reading
Kerry – so fab its ridiculous
Tasha has really been on point today with real YBF people. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:15 PM
Joy, tell the truth!!! I like how she did that whole blog, excellent!! I have dreads so I keeps it real, but I dont knock my other sistas for weaving it up!! Do you sistas, its what we’ve been doing from jump!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:16 PM
basically.
she the last one need to be bringing attention to whats happening with her head.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:17 PM
that was so funny. i am a weave-o-holic as well, and i have a good grade of hair. is this what we as a nation has come to. who cares how good your hair is. it is too much out there in the world to talk about this foolishness. you go joy
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:18 PM
Thank you Joy! So sick of people like Tyra telling black women they hate themselves for whatever reason! Black women are free to wear their hair however they choose. Wanting to look your best doesn’t have to mean you hate yourself. Stop it!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:20 PM
I didn’t evn realize Joy wore a weave lol…Her hair is always looking rough..but I guess that is the look she goes for…at least it looks like her roughness…and not weave-like (*cough Kelly Rowland and Malak Rock*)
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:21 PM
Joy u embrace the weave, but from the looks of ur hair weave doesn’t embrace YOU. Good luck with that Joy zzzzzz
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:21 PM
i know she was trying to be facetious but… sorry i thought that was stupid. weave is just not that serious.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:22 PM
if i was Extensions Plus i would sue her!!! her weaves always look a hot ass mess and she has the audacity to put the name of the salon out there like that. SHE-NANNY-GENS!!!!
i like Kerry’s outfit and she looks really good, just never been a fan of her acting since she guest starred on Law and Order.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:23 PM
Who knew JOY had an intelligent sense of humor??? This is hilarious; obviously she’s being SARCASTIC. I luv it.
Kerry looks uber fabulous. Both the outfit and shoes are splendid.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:24 PM
This story about Joy Bryant and her love for her weave is OLD! I read this exact story on another blog site over a week ago…YBF keep up!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:24 PM
Girl, you aint lying!! I did not know ‘do that Joy always rocked was a weave, it looked like her own hair in all it’s hot messness!! I don’t give a rats ass about who wears a weave or not. Embrace you weave, more power to you. I just rock my natural hair, it’s long, it’s healthy and it’s what I LOVE!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:26 PM
Joy “Stay With Busted Weave” Bryant should not try to snark on ANYONE when it comes to hair. That picture of her is the only one I’ve ever saw of he with her hair look decent.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:27 PM
I live in Miami and my hair stylist orders my weave from Extensions Plus in LA too! Hi, my name is xoxo, and I too am a weave-a-holic.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:33 PM
Too funny love her sarcasm…
My weave experience was not so good…I spent 180 bucks on this hair got it put in and looked completely ridiculous.
Maybe I’ll try it again some day..
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:34 PM
Joy has the nerve to talk about Tyra but Tyra’s weave AND real hair is on point. Joy’s hair is so damn effed up all the time I thought that crap was her real hair. Your weave is SUPPOSED to make your ish look a little better. The sarcastic blog was funny…but she made herself–not Tyra–look stupid.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:36 PM
I’m not against any women wearing a weave/wig… But one question what would you do if their weren’t any?
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:37 PM
i did know joy’s hair was fake.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:38 PM
That blog about Joy is two or three weeks old…you need to get it together girl and stay on top of ish before people starting going elsewhere for their celebrity gossip..
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:39 PM
Joy must have had a few before posting, don’t ya think? That bald headed bish should get a life. A real one. Wack Joy, real wack. Dumb f&%k.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:40 PM
I was thinking the same thing. I thought it was her’s since it is usually so dry!
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:40 PM
I like joy, I think she is hilarious! I wear my hair natural in my lil curly fro’ and when I want it straight I just bust out my flat iron and vitamin e oil lol. I think a lot of black women don’t realize they can have perm/relaxed results without the chemicals. I don’t knock people who wear weave. To each his/her own.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:42 PM
LOL @ Joy. I’m a weave-a-holic myself. It’s nice to see people have some humor in them. All this hair power business and hair bondage crap was a bore.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:44 PM
that was so funny, i feel u joy, i love weave too. i just recently cut off my relaxed hair and I’m rocking a lace front wig right now, waiting for my hair to grow.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:44 PM
Damn I mad @ Joy for letting everybody know where we getting the real indian weave from…lol
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:44 PM
Joy personifies every weave wearing black woman in America, aye. However, there is something more deep in what she is saying starting with self-loathing, aye. Yes! Black women are self-loathing, self-hating, wanna be white chick, aye. There I said it, aye. It does not matter that for every century of slavery we were taught and trained to hate ourselves, not to mention that to be white is wright (she said with a southern drawl), aye. Being too black means that white folk won’t like us, aye. I mean just keeping it real, aye. I mean Michael Jackson bleach himself white, so wearing weave can’t hurt nobody, aye.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:49 PM
I like Joy and her blog was funny, but this weave, wig hair thang is out of control, for real! I mean, I understand it being stylish and all, but ya’ll gotta know there’s a problem when damn near half the population of Black women you see have long straight weave in her head! That ‘ish is psychological. Ya’ll can laugh at it all you want and call it style or manageability or whatever excuse you’re serving, but there’s a problem. Black men and their love for white women, Black women and their love for hair that looks like white women. If it wasn’t so prevalent in our communities, I might could go along with it, but my spirit is saying there’s a problem with us. If we’d spend those billions of dollars on the right kind of products for our own hair’s growth and manageability, we wouldn’t have to wear somebody else’s. It’s OK to want style and flexibility with hair, but put that money into your own hair. I’m tellin’ you, it’s insanity and we’re laughing about it. Joy was funny, but…..
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:50 PM
Joy is CRAZY funny… LOL.. I hear you girl… Rock your weave.. lol..
Kerry is really a beautiful looking woman.. very mature and sexy outfit.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:52 PM
You ain’t neva lied ! I was like Joy been wearing a weave, that has got to be a joke. That no make-up, barely tweezed eyebrows, no relaxer having chic been wearing a weave all this time. Wow ! Chile, they owe YOU some money. Damn !
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:54 PM
Kerry Washington is too too fierce. Wow.
Tue, September 29, 2009 2:58 PM
Kerry looks freaking GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!! Love her :-)
Joy Bryant hush your dried up looking self up! You sound soo stupid and pathetic. BTW I read this DESPERATE attempt of some relevance last week. She should have NEVER admitted to buying that nappy, dry, ugly weave! LMAO @ people believing that was all her hair. Tyra is a beautiful, classy business woman with bank Joy will NEVER have. Sorry Joy you made yourself you stupid. TRY to get a good movie role tha will actually go number 1.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:01 PM
So happy for Kerry washington – she has worked REALLY hard to be a mainstream actress. I remember seeing her in the movie “Lift”. Good job Kerry!!! and please don’t be like these other black actresses chasing after athletes.
Joy Bryant – I HATE YOUR WEAVE and always have. You always have it start to far back on your head and it looks messy half the damn time – and i swear you have been wearing a middle part for years now. Thumbs down!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:04 PM
don’t raise that mirror to us, people don’t like it.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:07 PM
KERRY–BEAUTIFUL…JOY–GET A STYLIST PLEASE….
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:09 PM
Kerry is beautiful
“But that day, something caught my attention and trumped all of the glowing reviews of President Obama’s health care speech: It was Tyra’s hair.
National Real Hair Day?”
LMFAO i thought the same thing. Like I wear my natural hair all the time, why was that Tyra speach so important? Why call it national hair day like everyone wears weave. Joys speach was dripping with Sarcasm as you al can see, she wasnt serious just poking funat how they made Tyra speech on Larry such a big thing. and the fact that their is so much more important things going on in the world who the hell cares about who wears weave or doesnt
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:09 PM
Kerry looks great :) When we as female stop putting others down to make ourselves feel good. I don’t think Tyra is knockin people where weaves because she still wears them…she did that for a week. AND IT IS NOT THAT SERIOUS. PLAY WITH YOUR HAIR…YOUR IMAGE BUT LOVE YOURSELF.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:11 PM
To be honest the hair debate has been going on 4ever! During the late 1800s Some black leaders & folk critized madame c.j.walker & other black hair care salesman for saling straighting chemicals to negros to look more “white”. It is rooted in self dislike & assimilation but its apart of mainstream culture now & some just choose it over natural
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
Im white and almost everyone of my friends wear extensions including myself. Asian women, spanish women, even if its just to add bounce and make it fuller. No biggie. in the 16th century even men use to wear powderred wigs whats the big deal. I like extensions, i can go without them just like we can go without plucking are eye brows, colouring are nails, wearing eye liner, its just another thing that adds to the beauty. NO BIG DEAL
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
Okay…if some of you didn’t get it:
Joy wasn’t just saying “forget you and your real hair Tyra- I’m a slave to extensions and I love them”.
She was attempting to draw attention to the fact that TYRA has been wearing wigs and weaves for at least a good 14-15 yrs straight (throughout her modeling career and TV shows). Never ONCE has Tyra Banks made a big deal about real hair. She may have show photos of herself without the fake hair and make-up (which we all applauded and appreciated), but every time we have seen Tyra she’s been rocking fake hair.
NOW, suddenly Tyra decides she wants to wear her hair out for the FIFTH season of her talk show and she’s making it the biggest thing ever- even telling Larry King to feel her scalp to feel her naps on national television.
Do you all notice how she’s exploiting her –and by extension Black women’s– hair issues for her show?
I like Tyra for the most part, and I know she has an empire to run, so do what you must, but you ladies MUST find it somewhat odd that SUDDENLY the queen (I should say one of the queens lol) of lace fronts is making a big deal about real hair and loving oneself. If it were THAT serious wouldn’t she have pulled the wigs off a long time ago?
The real hair thing is a gimmick. <—THAT is what Joy was pointing out. You can’t wear fake hair for over a decade and suddenly tell women to embrace themselves because you decided to take the wig off for one season of your show.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:18 PM
Joy and Kerry are both beautiful women – faces on point, bodies on point. Kerry’s weave looks better, but who cares? Joy is still a beautiful woman.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:19 PM
Kerri skin is beautiful, her face is so beautiful she is stunning. I loves her. So different han she was in save the last dance but jkust as Gorg
LMFAO Joy i love it.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:20 PM
LOVED JOY’S BLOG! I thought it was entertaining and well-written.
OH…Kerry looked great too (so did her weave!) :)
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:20 PM
Y’all thought Joy’s blog was hilarious? If anything, Joy has just exposed how not so intelligent she is. Nothing funny about that. It’s also sad how so many Black women are so damn insecure. Yes, of course. You can rock your hair however you want. It’s the fact that some well not some.. A LOT of Black women refuse to accept the fact that they’re not White/Asian/…/etc It’s actually pretty sad. But whatevs. There are more important things in the world to worry about. In the meantime, keep on hating yourself, Black woman.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:21 PM
I understand where Joy is coming from concerning the weave! Some folks look better with fake hair (including weaves, extensions, lace fronts, wigs, etc.) If you are already attractive and/or have the face to wear your natural hair, then more power to you. Some women, in my opinion, look better with a weave which sometimes may just add to the beauty they already have. I wear weaves and will be wearing weaves until the day I die! LMBAO.
Different strokes for different folks. Some people might prefer Tyra Banks with her lace front and some might prefer her natural hair. Tyra is a very attractive woman and she looks good either way but once she adds that lace front, she is just gorgeous!
What a different some “weave” can make and don’t forget to catch Chris Rock’s documentary about hair coming out later on this year…..
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:25 PM
LOL Hi my name is nikki & il love weave,wigs,lol seriously i have a decent amount of length but really Black Women of this Blog You do know you do not have to hate yourself to were weave,lol I mean i do rock my long thin hair sometimes but nothing like putting on a weave & looking like a diff person,LOVE IT.LOL Oh & my Man does to especially the wigs,lol
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:29 PM
I have a WHOLE new respect for Joy Bryant! That just brightened my day! LOL
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:31 PM
Here We Go Again with these Hair ISSUES…Not a Good Look – NEXT!
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:32 PM
i loved what joy said..fun-ny HOWEVER,
her shit is never looking right..something is always off..
off to the point i thought those naps were her real hair.
i do dig the blog though, true hilarity if it came from sanaa or gabs…or meagan good, since theyre weaves are pretty decent for the most part.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:34 PM
i actually love myself even more once i add my indian remy…
so wtf is tyty talkin’ about exactly?
weave doesnt make you..it enhances. i have shoulder length hair and when i want a bob..i takes my weave out, when im ready to do long layers..i insert that shit back in.
boom bam–im done. i feel the same all the way around.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:40 PM
I didnt like Joy Bryant b4 but now I saw this blog. I really like her. Kerry looks the business…She should never be single. Why isn’t she married u
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:40 PM
well i feel silly. I really thought that was all Joy’s hair.
she actually looks good in that pic!! Usually she tries too hard to be natural. with no makeup, sometimes i swear she dont wash her face or comb her hair in carpet events. cold still in her eyes and everything.
Kerry Washington- that woman is BADDDD
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:41 PM
Kerry Washington is so beautiful and classy.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:46 PM
Ha ha ha! I officially love Joy Byrant!! What she said is hilarious and true! As if any woman needs Tyra to tell them it’s ok to wear their real hair. Please…
Many women, not just black women, wear weaves, wigs, pieces etc. and will continue to do so. I didn’t watch her “real hair” episode(s) only heard about it, but I hope it didn’t give people the impression that black women can’t grow their own hair or wear weaves because their real hair is terrible.
I haven’t worn a weave in a long time but Joy’s blog is making me wanna go to the hair store today!
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:48 PM
I am a weave for life chick too. Fuck TyTy and her BS. Who even cared what her real or bald head looked like. TyTy go to theraphy we do not need to know all your boring business. The next thing she will be doing is giving us advice on Pubs…shave or wax and then do a demo. WE DONT CARE AND WE DO NOT NEED TO KNOW.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:49 PM
Everyone keeps talking about how Joy’s hair looked a mess, blah, blah and yet 99% of ya’ll didn’t even know it was a weave! So clearly she’s got her ish right. Isn’t that the point of getting a weave? So it looks like yours?! Sorry if I’m wrong…never wore a weave, but thought it was interesting.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:51 PM
Kerry should date Maxwell, that’s what i think…A Queen like this needs a King…a v v Sexy King
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:51 PM
I don’t think some of you got that she was actually being sarcastic, no?
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:53 PM
Joy, You gets a loud “Chile Please!”. Joy’s weave IS and ALWAYS HAS BEEN whack as hell. If you insist on wearing the weave, you need to step your weave game up! No 1/2 stepping!
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:55 PM
Joy’s Blog—Hillarious, and Kerry is Killing the game…luv her style
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:55 PM
Joy’s weave is good. I thought it was her real hair. It’s jut her face that throws off the whole look. I mean she’s clearly a pretty girl, but she refuses to get her eyebros shaped, and she looks drab and tired when she doesn’t wear any makeup (which is often).
That’s why she looks a mess, not because of her weave.
Tue, September 29, 2009 3:58 PM
Wow that’s deep. I tried a weave once and it is so uncomfortable. I can’t do it.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:03 PM
ive never had a weave but maybe i should get one! then again yall make it sound addictive like crack rock.
does she buy the weave dried out already or does she do something to dry it out over time?
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:06 PM
I think I’m the only one but when i wear weaves i feel sooooo fake! So fake! I have a short haircut and loves it! I feel so sophisticated and sharp, and take pride in the fact that i dont have hair down my back, regardless of whether its real or fake, and i stand out from a lot of black women. of course there are women with short haircuts, but long, usually jet black weaves are the majority. I do not like weave, i feel like im siking myself and other people out, like im trying to be someone im not. so ill leave the yaki to everyone else and rock my short do and stay fly!
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:08 PM
I think I’m the only one but when i wear weaves i feel sooooo fake! So fake! I remember in highschool trying to be like everyone else and felt more insecure about my hair thinking my tracks were showing or my sew in was loose! I have a short haircut and loves it! I feel so sophisticated and sharp, and take pride in the fact that i dont have hair down my back, regardless of whether its real or fake, and i stand out from a lot of black women. of course there are women with short haircuts, but long, usually jet black weaves are the majority. I do not like weave, i feel like im siking myself and other people out, like im trying to be someone im not. so ill leave the yaki to everyone else.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:08 PM
OMG your so on point. Her hair be looking jacked up and finding out its a weave and that jacked up she needs to fire whomever styles it. She pays all that money for a javked up weave. Damn!
Her hair be looking a hot ass mess, and most of her outfits also.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:17 PM
JOYFUL JOYFUL BRYANT, OH HOW I ADORE THEE, SHE SAID EXACLTY WHAT ERRRRRBODY WAS THINKING.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:17 PM
Seriously, Joy Bryant is sad. Overwhelmingly sad. It started off funny but then it got pathetic. It reminds me of an article by a Black man “Why I love white women.” Okay? funny, but after a while it’s not that damn funny. More ignorant.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:25 PM
I think she was being sarcastic.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:26 PM
meaning her hair never looked combed or washed.
i really didnt think someone who wore fake hair would neglect it like how she did.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:27 PM
I don’t get why so many people are upset. It’s clearly a satirical piece, and I don’t really see how it’s offensive and warrants such harsh remarks about Joy’s appearance. If anything weave wearers should applaud because she’s basically saying that why after year of wearing weaves and lacefronts, extensions etc, is Tyra suddenly the authority on natural hair just because she decides that she’s ready to make a huge deal out of showing hers. I think all she was trying to say is that wearing a weave doesn’t mean a woman hates herself, and that Tyra of all people should know that.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:33 PM
Joy is so fervently expressing the sentiments of a well educated woman on a topic that only self-doubting women stress. I would say more but most of you are not on that level. I will say, read between the lines!
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:36 PM
….or it means that SOME people who wear weaves do hate themselves. You will be hard pressed to find people to actually admit that they hate themselves. Come on now, it’s 2009 we are more sophisticated and have more politically correct terms-people are not going to admit they hate their natural kinky hair texture. Instead, they will just cover it and profess their love for relaxers and weave as being a PREFERENCE. As if preference doesn’t mean discrimination. Come on….get real (pun intended).
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:39 PM
…or it means that Joy is not that female. You can tell she’s comfortable in her skin and has a beautiful man who doesn’t give a damn about whether she is weaved up or not. But look at Tyra. I mean, how stupid did Tyra look repeating over and over how much she wasn’t bald headed or the fact that her dim “o natural” picture was taken with a head full of perm and her very fake ass nose to match. The girl had the hair hanging wet in the back to show her no-length! It is so apparent that poor Tyra has been put down by men for not living up to their model perfect expectation. But Chile, boo! This weave issue is not her only issue. And if you have a concern with weave, it comes down to the fact that if you feel it’s illusory because it doesn’t grow on your head, then that’s your prerogative. But if you feel that wearing weave makes you inauthentic, don’t stop there- perhaps your Mother Earth ass should refrain from wearing makeup, perms, or even waxing….isn’t all that enhancement inauthentic? If you have the balls to ask what one would do without a weave, you ought to question what one would do without plastic surgery, makeup, and the likes. Or ask yourself what “keeping it real” really means?
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:40 PM
Umm exactly! If she didn’t look busted with hers all the time, I might have felt the comedic approach…
She tried to be sarcastic, but the shyt didn’t work for me, it was lame. U wanna have a fade like Solange…do u….u wanna look like Chaka Khan…do u. No need to blog about the shyt…who gives a damn. I don’t even watch the Tyra show…she’s no one special to influence my hair care decisions.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:40 PM
please guys remeber that weave is not just a black thang anymore…everyboby is getting them. its like when ever any thing that we as blacks like or really relate to once it becomes mainstream it becomes a terrible thing. so sick of people making a big deal about how or what i put in my head. if you like your natural,relaxed, braided or weaved up then do you. be more worried about what a woman has going on inside of her head than on top.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:41 PM
Joy’s sarcasm was extreme but I see her point. Tyra is making way too big deal about wearing her real hair. There are black women in celebrityhood already wearing their hair they didn’t do a press conference. Jada Pinkett wears her hair, Halle Berry wears her hair, Janet Jackson wears her hair, and even non celebrity Sheeree wears her hair. There are many black forums dedicated to black women growing out healthy hair. So Tyra with her wannabe Oprah reject self is not doing something special. This is what makes me mad she acts like wearing a weave is a bad thing, talking about she feels emancipated. People wear weaves for the same reason they wear fake nails, they want something different. Hell, white girls wear weaves also. If someone wants to grow out their hair let them, if they want extensions let them. Tyra acts like black women wearing a weave means they secretly hate themselves, but she is the main one dying her hair blonde trying to look white. A woman with a talk show that can rich masses should not be continuing the ignorance that surrounds our society. That’s how one white girl came up to me trying to put her hands in my hair saying is that a weave, I was like no(almost slapped her), but even if it was, I can do that because it is my hair!
Joy do you, just add a little more moisturizer to it.
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:44 PM
It’s so sad how women feel about themselves and disrespect each other because of their insecurities. I read through the sarcasm JOy used towards Tyra. It’s a big deal when a black woman shows her real hair because people are so used to seeing them with hair texture that doesn’t belong to them. Imaging if Tyra had real NEGRO hair under that wig?! Weaveoholics would have slit their throats in unison. HOw dare a black woman be black in public… and ask people to like it!
I aint mad at JOy for purchasing an identity. She has to. She can be bohemian or pocahontas.. or whomever else she likes. ITs just unfortunate she’ll never want to be mistaken for a negro. Keep in mind…She’s an actress. That’s what she gets paid to do.. pretend to be someone else. She’s probably been doing it so long, the sight of herself as she was created must make her hurl.
To my non-weaveholics, don’t get caught in the hype. Be natural. It is liberating.. IT is worth it. I know it is for me. :- )
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:45 PM
JOY BRYANT GTFOH! She is so irrelevant, i’m not a big fan of Tyra but stop bein a hater Joy.. and her weaves look like trash!
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:53 PM
Kerry looks Hottttttt….. her skin is Flawlessssss!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 4:58 PM
Joys blog was funny as hell but like many of the other comeetns listed her weave never looks good or fresh. Its always dull and lacks the shine and beauty of most other folks waeve. Maybe she needs better people or a better grade of hair.
Kerry looks uber fabulous.
Tue, September 29, 2009 5:06 PM
Um…Kerry looks fab…I like Joy and to me she looks fine most of the time….if she were to get her eyebrows done, ppl would probably look at her differently.
Tue, September 29, 2009 5:12 PM
Thank you for that post – for some unknown reason some people think that only black people wear weaves – are you kidding me? The whole of Hollywood wears extensions and their hair looks like shit without it!!
But anyway, to my more important point – I am so glad that i have finally found a forum in which I can attack that nappy ass, broke ass, $20 a pack hair from the Korean store bullshit – that Joy Bryant wears. Its almost as if she tries to go for the white girl bedhead look and shit looks disgusting almost all the time. I guess someone convinced her to put some grease in her hair for this shoot. Her hair reminds me of what my hair use to look like during finals week in college – A HOT MESS!!!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 5:19 PM
I don’t understand the weave/lace front love. I mean what is cute about Vivica, Solange and/or Beyonce’s hairline after years of trying to present what?? Is beauty in the hair or is it in the person? Can you buy beauty? I feel the same about fake nails, fake lashes and the rest of the bull but I guess…whatever floats your boat and earns you your checks but please don’t perpetrate like you do this because you woke up one day and thought…ooooh a weave I want one…you do it because at some point someone told you you had to in order to be accept, to be cast in that next low budget film and instead of fighting to present your true self and your art, you fell for it hook line and sinker. Can’t wait to see you when you hairline starts at your ears. Good luck with that
Tue, September 29, 2009 5:22 PM
I love it, I love it, I love it!!! My name is Erika and I’m a weaveaholic too!! Joy’s blog summed up my feelings perfectly. She is my new fav celeb!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 5:23 PM
Love Mrs Joy Bryant. Funny.
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:06 PM
@ley & RIkki
Tell em ladies couldn’t have said it better myself!!!
Tyra needs to go somewhere with that none sense women wear weaves for diversity not for self worth!!! Well that’s why I wear mines sometimes I’m bored with my real hair. Sometimes I want to try a new style but dont want to cut my hair permanently to achieve it. So different stokes for different folks but to say she sounded unintelligent is a lie!! Maybe it just went over some folks heads but I def got her message loud and clear Tyra stfu and do what works best for you and stop trying to make a big thing out of nothing! Women love beauty enhancements and extensions and weaves are apart of that!!! Now when you start wearing straight blonde weaves and blue eyed contacts then that’s a different story….
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:10 PM
I feel Joy 100!! Why r people so quick to down talk a female cuz she wants to weave it up. We r all beauitiful and we should wear what makes us happy. Every black woman doesn’t need to walk around with a bush or dreads or whatever natural hairstyle just so she can say she is not selling out. We have OPTIONS! Use and abuse them muthertruckers! Dizzam! Let people be who they wanna be! Real hair my ass. My hair is real I paid good money to make damn sure it is.
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:10 PM
I don’t knock women who wear weaves especially those who do it well. I’m natural but going grey and I’m considering a weave just because I’d rather not be grey or perm again! However, I do think we are taught that wearing our hair natural/braided/loc’ed/short is discouraged and not just becuase of historical precedent – because it’s a BILLION dollar business that enriches other races. “Good Hair” has a lot to say about that. No judgement, but I do think people need to realize how their decisions may be influenced. It’s often deeper than you think or see.
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:12 PM
I’m glad Joy did that blog- she took the sting out of the whole weave thing. I’m not sure what the big deal is! If women want to wear weaves, then so be it! I’m not sure why people are reading so much into it. Black women have had struggles with hair for many many years, so whatever makes them feel pretty or sexy- then I’m all for it! There are so many more pressing issues to deal with- why must we always focused on the most frivolous things?
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:13 PM
I’mma give Joy the pass on this one…maybe she meant it to be funnier then it translates…but really she sounds stupid and pressed…
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:30 PM
Very tacky for her to speak ill of another celebrity, especially being a woman, we hear of men doing it all the time, it doesn’t make it right,but whatever….I don’t even remember her name, so i have to refer to her as “her”. I’m not a fan of Tyra, but honey this is one war you can’t win…Tyra does not even have time to entertain this immature hating. Quit trying to get in the spotlight, you’re not that interesting….u are a D-lister, and this little hatin sceme you got going on is not going to help change that status.
Tue, September 29, 2009 6:31 PM
@ SexyScholar
I beg to differ! No one has ever told me a thing about what I needed to be beautiful! I get just as many looks and compliments with weave or real hair and my edges look fine and honestly weaves dont mess up hair lines like braids do. So again I must stress everyone rocks what they rock for a reason but no need to put us all in one box however we decided to rock our hair.
Tue, September 29, 2009 7:13 PM
Ditto
Tue, September 29, 2009 7:19 PM
Y’all need to stop with the “Joy needs a stylist” foolywang. Joy been having Rachel Zoe as her stylist for a hot minute now, LOL.
I feel so “non black” when black girls start talking about their weaves because they get real SERIOUS. My cousins weave it up 24/7, Ive seen their real hair like twice. I’ve never had a weave, Im weave virgin haha. I wear my own hair all the time and I take care of my hair like a mad woman. Id rather rock my own than wear weave to be honest. Same with makeup, Id rather achieve flawless skin than cover bad skin up with foundation. I aint hating on you weavealicious sistas though, do you.
And daaaamn Kerry girl you’re fly. She could get it. Flawless as hell. Shiieeet
Tue, September 29, 2009 7:36 PM
Kerry is so beautiful! She looks so classy here, as always.
Tue, September 29, 2009 7:52 PM
Not a fan of Ms Tyra she’s trying to hard to keep her ratings up,she exploits black women issues on her show a little to much for me and her show topics are just stupid ,skin bleacing,light vs dark skin,real hair,weaved hair,thick vs skinny just lame. Black women issues go much deeper then the superficial things she talks about. Why does everyhing has to be about her? So she wears her real so what? now she’s back to rockin her weaves. TYRA get over yourself! Camp Joy
Tue, September 29, 2009 7:56 PM
i know… i can appreciate a weave loving woman.. i LOVE my weave… but joy is just being dis respectful… like REALLY disrespectful Tyra did a brave thing… i dunno i can appreciate what tyra did becuz SOMETIMES just SUMTIMES its ok to embrace the real
Tue, September 29, 2009 8:15 PM
I understand Joy is being irreverent and turning Tyra’s foolishness against her. And as *much* as I see that Tyra is just piggybacking a real issue and turning into “The TYra show” bfore Chris’s documentary comes out, all so she won’t feel stupid telling Black women how beautiful they are while she wears a synthetic blonde mane…I still think Joy is ignoring some basic truths.
I think it is a real issu when nearly every Black woman on tv wears a long, flowing, fake weave, as if this is what we need to be beautiful. I know White actresses wear it just as much, but it’s less noticeable because that is usually their real hair texture. With us, it’s like we’re straightening our hair chemically, then weaving in someone else’s hair…all to appeal to a standard of beauty that is anathema to our own natural one. Regardless of how much Joy “loves” her weave, that does provide a commentary on our society
Tue, September 29, 2009 8:30 PM
Joy has extremely low self-esteem. This blog wasnt funny it was quite sad and very revealing of how she really feels about herself : (
Tue, September 29, 2009 8:38 PM
QUOTE: “If you are already attractive and/or have the face to wear your natural hair, then more power to you. Some women, in my opinion, look better with a weave”
This is not an issue that women of other races have to deal with. As if black women don’t have ENOUGH problems on this earth! Here we go telling people they don’t “have the face” to go out into the world with the hair God gave them. SMH. Please.
QUOTE: “I wear weaves and will be wearing weaves until the day I die!”
No comment.
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:03 PM
LMAO @ Joy Bryant post! funny ,if I want to were braids/weave/wig/lacefront it’s my choice. Tyra please!
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:27 PM
my mouthdropped at joy’s blog. She really loves her weave
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:34 PM
Ms Washington leaves me speechless! She is truly stylish, chic and extremely beautiful! I LOVE HER!
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:49 PM
Damn Joy, that was hilarious! I was thinking the same thing. Hi, my name is burito and I’m a weave-a-holic! lol!!!!
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:50 PM
Joy is hilarious!
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:51 PM
No, you are sad!
Tue, September 29, 2009 9:54 PM
I don’t care anything about Joy but Kerry on the other hand is fly as ever!
Tue, September 29, 2009 11:07 PM
joy know she need to quit!!! relaxed roots my ass. her weave be lookin’ jacked
imma weave-a-holic as well. card carrying member to be exact.
did someone ever find out what brand of weave the girls on the t.o. show get their weave??????
damn. i gotta have kerry’s shoes
Tue, September 29, 2009 11:21 PM
Rifa, it looked completely ridiculous because it’s not your hair. Imagine seeing an asian lady with an afro. Lil strange, right? And that’s exactly why it looks strange on some black women.
Tue, September 29, 2009 11:31 PM
It’s hilarious that most of the women who wear weaves have to mention that their hair is ‘a decent length’ or they have ‘a good grade of hair underneath’. Like regular plain old black hair is bad.
I do believe a growing majority of black women wear weaves. And I don’t think it is just because it’s a hairstyle.
Tue, September 29, 2009 11:43 PM
Wearing weaves does not mean you inherently hate yourself anymore than wearing natural means you somehow inherently love yourself. I have rocked a natural, in its curly state since 2004. I enjoyed it and still do. However, I moved to the desert last year and got my first sew-in. And I enjoyed that just as much. I go back and forth between a straight, sew-in and my huge curly, natural ‘fro. I love changing it up…change is good!!! Ladies, rock your hair however you’d like…weaves only become a problem when you think you can’t leave the house without it…or that your beauty suffers without it.
Wed, September 30, 2009 12:47 AM
This is such an EASY issue to attack black women on – dedicate your time to things that will REALLY help us out as a people – not this bullshit. What – if all black women wore natural hair one day, would there be a huge progression in who we are as as people – no – yet we spend so much tine attacking each other on it. There is always an angle to say black women don’t love themselves and no one does it more than BLACK people – WTF?? We always figure out a way to divide ourselves, we seem to do that perfectly on our own without help from anyone on the outside!!!! If you don’t wear a weave – good for you but don’t judge others to make yourself feel better – to make yourself feel like you are blacker because of it. Ultimately, that’s why you’re doing it (keep it real). We have so many other issues to deal with in our community and women wearing weaves should NOT be one of them! If I had a dime for every time a black person said that black women didn’t like themselves, my entire family would never have to work a day in their life.
DaJournalist – obviously you’ve thought about this for a while and I guess to you an Asian wearing an afro is weird. Me, personally, its not weird, why?, because I don’t give a shit about hairstyles like that – it does not own you or the person you are. For people who judge others based on what’s outside, maybe it is. If a white person wanted to wear cornrows, still wouldn’t give a shit. Last time I checked, no one was giving out awards to people with the nappiest afros. Your education, your values, your family structure, your contribution to society and being a positive role model to younger people is what defines you. Its easy to go after how someone looks because you can make a quick assumption about it and feel good about it. Cut the easy bullshit out.
Wed, September 30, 2009 12:59 AM
Joy’s article was really funny. I am tired of Tyra and all of her drama about nothing. If someone wears a weave what is the big deal? if someone doesn’t wear a weave ever what is the big deal? Joy made a joke of it which in my view puts all this crap in perspective.
Wed, September 30, 2009 5:02 AM
Ladies – stop with the fake hair – it is just pathetic, espeacially when a woman can cut her hair short, and still look fly, and even rock a shoulder length bob, and still look fly. There is not reason for any woman in 2009 to be still hating her real hair – COME ON!
Wed, September 30, 2009 5:33 AM
My sentiments exactly
Wed, September 30, 2009 7:12 AM
Sara – I love how you have the AUDACITY and think you have the expertise on a woman’s pysche to call us “pathetic” because we wear weaves….and your ridiculous reasoning is that we are pathetic because we can wear our hair short and still look fly???? So because YOU like short hair and bobs, we ALL should, right???? Of ALL things to call someone pathetic about (pushing aside all of the things that women accomplish in their lives) – this is your reasoning??? – r u serious???? You should focus on yourself because honestly, you sound pathetic, extremely judgemental and immature and that goes for you and all the “my sentiments exactly” women on here. I guess when you see a woman and don’t even talk to her, your small mind goes swirling with judgements. Pick a better argument to use against other women.
Wed, September 30, 2009 7:14 AM
I WATCH DA SHOW WID TYRA AND WAS SHOCKED SHE GOT ALOT OF HAIR ITS STILL GOOD THAT AFTER WEARING ALL YHAT WEAVE SHE STILL GOT HAIR BECAUSE SHE GOT PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT CAUSE OF YOU DONT YOU WILL LOSE YA HAIR.
PERSONALLY I DONT WEAR WEAVE DONT LIKE IT I CAN HANDLE MY OWN HAIR ITS TWICE AS MUCH WORK WID A WEAVE ON
Wed, September 30, 2009 7:25 AM
LMAO I am feeling you Joy! You do you! Weave for Life. I have had both natural hair and a weave and well truth is I prefer the weave. Rocking a ‘fro is just too much work. At least with a weave with a few strokes of the brush and some silicone to give it shine then I am good to go.
I heart me some Joy don’t be bashing on her just because her style isn’t what you think it should be. And I loves this blog gosh Tyra Banks get on my damn nerves with her stupid look at me I am so “real” crap. Get over yourself Tyra Spanxxx
Wed, September 30, 2009 8:43 AM
That was too funny.. and just a reminder, I have beautiful hair that stops right past my shoulders.. I am natural, so needless to say a hairstyle in the summer doesn’t last for myself.. So, that is where the weave comes in.. I wear the weave in the spring/summertime… By the end of September/October, I take the weave out. It’s all a preferance for some but maybe there are people out there like Tyra with insecurities… I feel for you.. Get over it.. and love u 1st, Always.
Wed, September 30, 2009 8:51 AM
I’ve read literally all the comments and as far as I’m concerned Joy’s article was funny because she articulated herself perfectly. As for where I stand on the weave or not to weave issue, I’ll be honest today I have a weave and on Saturday I’m taking it out to do some curly braids and I do not want my real hair out for anyone to see!
When I say real hair I’m talking about my afro, I haven’t looked after it properly and ever since I relaxed it back in the day it never regained it’s original thick bouncy texture which I now regret-it doesn’t have much body. So I will eventually get bored of braids and have my hair our once it’s relaxed-believe me I am not one of these girls who thinks having ‘real’ hair makes me more or less black and I am fully aware that ‘real’ hair is hair that hasn’t been straightened by relaxer. But one thing I will say is that all those who are postig things about black women hating themselves are putting hate amongst the black community, it’s starting to turn into a fake hair VS real hair type of war! Let’s not do this, we have enough problems to deal with-i.e. recession! we need to show more love instead of hate-regardless of the hair! White ladies with fake tan, fake hair, fake nails probably don’t have these type of arguments with white ladies that don’t have fake hair, tan or fake nails! Why can’t just learn to be a race that motivates/encourages each other!?
I have a weave but believe I am PROUD to the max to be black!!
Wed, September 30, 2009 9:49 AM
I agree w/95% of the ppl on here… Joy … hun youre weave is never on point boo. The pic that this site has posted is the best Ive EVER seen her.
Wed, September 30, 2009 10:40 AM
Joy’s blog was meant as a satire poking fun at Tyra’s dumb, ditzy a**. Joy is poking fun at the fact that Tyra is actually going so far as to say you need to accept yourself for who you are and stop all of this self loathing and self hating. Joy is basically saying “Get real bytch!!! Did you really take this shyt that deeply behind some da** weave.” It’s kind of like speak for yourself bytch. If your reason for hating yourself and not accepting who you are in your entirety is the reason you wear weave, cool. But speak for yourself and not the fu**ing masses! Truly, this whole “Real hair” vs. “Fake hair” drama is bullshyt and we in the black community need to band together behind something powerful that can make a difference instead of dividing ourselves behind a issue that is SOOOOOO FU**ING POINTLESS!!!! I really her women daily debating this issue. How pathetic!!! This bytch really wasted a whole hour of airtime to talk about hair?!?!? WHO CARES?!?!?!? Ms. Tyra needs to learn to accept her own da** self for who she is and stop trying to prove her worth to the whole da** world! That’s what that show was really about…”I’ma prove to theses suckas that I REALLY do have some hair.” Who cares bytch?!?!?!? Why do you need to prove yourself to anyone???? I’ll be da**ed if I EVER live my life like that. And just think this bytch is paid beyond paid and still feels the need to prove herself to pee-ons. What a waste of time and energy. I’ll re-iterate before I close black people…..let’s bond together behind real issues and stop dividing ourselves so much behind the menial things in life. It gets you no closer to your true destiny and even further away from God. As Russell Simmons likes to say NAMASTE BYTCH’s!!!!
Wed, September 30, 2009 11:35 AM
Joy Bryant needs to shut her mouth. There is nothing wrong with weaves, except for when you rock a busted one like hers! How can she talk about ANYONE, when it appears that she is incapable of running a comb through her OWN head. GTFOH!
Wed, September 30, 2009 11:37 AM
Joy was using sarcasm. Most of the time when her hair looks long and dry it is her natural hair but she will rarely (like the photo above) try something different and throw on a wig. But she was totatly remarking in sarcasm how baby TyTy was making a big deal out of her “natural hair” which was permed and that it was not big deal nor was it life changing for us or the world to see her 8 finger forehead (loves you TyTy but you know your dome is large). Honstly it would have been more moving for a wig wearer to take of a wig and show a bald scalp b/c of cancer.
Joy you showed a sided many of us did not know, humor and greating writing skills. Thanks for the laugh because I needed it before I went postal on a customer at work. Pray for me.
Black women it don’t matter if you grow it, but it, or sew it just keep it healthy and lovely. Enjoy your day!
Wed, September 30, 2009 12:13 PM
Joy crazy as all hell! Lmao! That was funny. I feel the same way bout my weave girl….the same way.
Wed, September 30, 2009 12:13 PM
Joy crazy as all hell! Lmao! That was funny. I feel the same way bout my weave girl….the same way.
Wed, September 30, 2009 1:33 PM
Her weave doesn’t look bad, it looks as if it’s her natural hair. I believe that’s what she goes for. I think people are blowing it out of proportion. She went to the extreme, because Tyra did. But, that’s how Tyra is. She makes the simplest issue seem like a global one. I understood the sarcasm. Kudos Joy!!!
Wed, September 30, 2009 2:49 PM
I totally agree!!!!
Thu, October 1, 2009 12:11 PM
NIce, and at least she still keeps it natural by not caking on the make up and stuff. I think she da realest…..no, but she is keeping it realer than most, weave or no weave.