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Jay-Z Chunks The Deuce To Def Jam+Chris Stokes Says Raz B Is Lying About The Molestation Situation

Damn...Christmas Eve came and went with a bang.  First off, this morning Raz B--formerly of B2K--put out a Youtube video accusing his former manager Chris Stokes and former friend Marques Houston of molesting him.  And folks went nuts: But Chris Stokes' people at 5W Public Relations co. sent over a statement today refuting all the accusations made by Demario “Raz B” Thorton and Ricardo Thorton:
“The accusations that Demario “Raz B” Thorton and Ricardo Thorton have made are vehemently false and hold no merit. I have recently stopped financially supporting both individuals along with assisting them with their criminal and legal matters which leads me to believe they are resentful and looking to benefit financially from this. My family is my first priority and the reason why I have been so supportive of them. In bringing these false claims, they have not only slandered me, they have also put me in a position to ensure that the truth is known and I will take all legal routes to protect myself, my family and my four children," said Chris Stokes, CEO of The Ultimate Group. "It’s also quite ironic that these statements were made only 2 weeks after they were denied admittance by a venue for an event I hosted in Beverly Hills," added Stokes.
And I'm sure that new "Life After B2K" reality show in the works adds to the suspect factor too. Interesting. Oh, and remember Marques when he was with IMX: I'm just sayin.... Some folks weren't surprised (esp. since this has been speculated for a hot minute) but most folks were outraged. This ish is just crazy and mad foul if true. In so many ways... And the King (according to some) of Def Jam has been dethroned. Or he dethroned himself. Jay-Z has officially stepped down as the President of Def Jam Records as of today. Funny how Jay just denied these rumors a few months ago...and last week.
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Since all this has come

Since all this has come out--via the YouTube video--I have been on the internet reading various blogs. Apparently, this is indeed not the first time these molestation accusations have surfaced. Several folks have posted personal comments regarding events that took place at TUG. They also offer much insight as to how Chris Stokes has come to acquire management of these young men. It is rather unfortunate that we value money over the well-being of our youth. I will not say anything bad about their parents because I don't know them; however, they should have been on guard when allowing their children to interact with Stokes and others at TUG. Look at those pictures (and there are more) of them in their boxers in a bed. Who in the heck is snapping the photos? A mess! Also, their are several reports that members of IMX, B2K, and Stokes have matching tatoos of each others' names in Chinesse. I, personally, haven't looked at these young men that closely to confirm its validity. Whether that is true or not...it sounds not so good. If indeed Stokes is doing (or have been doing) these things, he should stopped and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
VTChick's picture

"I think we are clear that

"I think we are clear that Raz B’s brother Ricardo doesn’t seem to have his head on straight."...YUD It is common for those who have experienced something as traumatic as molestation to avoid dealing with it head on. I BET Ricardo has way more problems and issues than Raz B, because he's refusing to deal it with. This is how people turn to deviant behavior (drugs, prostitution, rape, etc...) to take the pain away. This topic is very VERY heavy and sad indeed. But this stuff has been going on in the entertainment industry forever. It's a real shame at what people will do (and in this case, what PARENTS will allow to happen to their children)all for the sake of fame and money.
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I remember when J-Boog said a

I remember when J-Boog said a few years back on 106 and park that part of the reason B2K broke up is because they were "raped" by Chris Stokes.... and then it was dead silent ... Free and AJ looking crazy... so he adds "financially" ........................... i hope chris stokes is locked under the jail. him and r. kelly!!!!!!!!
Becca's picture

Dear Miss little naive Tammy,

Dear Miss little naive Tammy, wake up and smell the coffee sweetie. You need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture hunny. When I read your comment, I was floored to see how clueless you really are about the situation, and a bit bitter too, I may add. You must be a Marques Houston fan, I'm so sorry...
FYI's picture

IF THIS PROVES TO BE

IF THIS PROVES TO BE TRUE...THOSE BOYS NEED TO GO ON OPRAH AND SHED LIGHT THAT YES SEXUAL ABUSE/CHILD MOLESTATION BY SOMEONE OF THE SAME/DIFFERENT SEX IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS ALIVE AND WELL....
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[quote comment="21662"][quote

[quote comment="21662"][quote comment="21655"]I just dont know what to say about this all of them need to get the lord in their life for the new year. take it to the man above.[/quote] ...The vast majority of the "down-low" brothers and Gays for that matter are seriously in the chruch...just thought you should know![/quote] You can't be serious with this comment. What does gays and DL's being in the church have anything to do with having the Lord in your life?? Such ignorance!!! So are you saying just because there are gays in the church, you shouldn't give praise to the most high? Just remember that God is a jealous God.
Kia's picture

[quote comment="21661"]Just

[quote comment="21661"]Just because a couple have sex doggy style for the first time doesn't mean that the man was molested...that is the most stupid, ignorant thing I've heard...get a life! I can't believe some of the things you people say and believe![/quote] LOL. As I was reading that original post I was hoping that person was kidding. It's pretty scary what people are so easily willing to believe. While I'm leaning towards these allegations being sadly true, a preferred sexual position proves nothing. Unless one of the boys had cameras back then, there will probably never be actual proof. It will be interesting if anyone else comes forward to corraborate these stories; someone with no financial drama or upcoming projects to promote.
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[quote comment="21655"]I just

[quote comment="21655"]I just dont know what to say about this all of them need to get the lord in their life for the new year. take it to the man above.[/quote] ...The vast majority of the "down-low" brothers and Gays for that matter are seriously in the chruch...just thought you should know!
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Just because a couple have

Just because a couple have sex doggy style for the first time doesn't mean that the man was molested...that is the most stupid, ignorant thing I've heard...get a life! I can't believe some of the things you people say and believe!
Tammy's picture

I agree with you!

I agree with you!
Tammy's picture

I just dont know what to say

I just dont know what to say about this all of them need to get the lord in their life for the new year. take it to the man above.
Tiffany's picture

...Wow folks sure can take

...Wow folks sure can take thing out of context quick! None of us knows what happened, I wouldn't be surprised either way. All I can say to this and all other topics brought up from this post is that the proof is in the pudding. Some folks rational is way off!
Just Nikki's picture

^^^^Ha don't know what

^^^^Ha don't know what happened but this was my queston @ Private But does the woman or man know you mess with both sexes? I mean you do make them aware don’t you? All parties have the right to know. I am just saying...
Tywn's picture

[quote

[quote comment="21617"]PaigeyWaigey WTF You talking about, you dont know shit about me or this fucking situation, I cant help how im attracted to dudes, shit i wish i wasnt but i am, 2nd i protect myself all the fucking time, third how you gon sit up and put ainds in the mix...I dont fuck dudes and girls at the same time.... if im with a girl im with her, if im with a dude i m with the dudes, never doing it behind nobody back. But does the woman or man know you mess with both sexes? I mean you do make them aware don't you?
Tywn's picture

TO YUDS UP TOP, ACTUALLY U

TO YUDS UP TOP, ACTUALLY U ARE INSULTING DATRUTH BECAUSE IN THIS WORLD TODAY THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH! THAT WAS THEIR OPINION AND THAT SHOULDN'T UPSET YOU AT ALL! U HAVE YOUR OPINION AND THEY HAVE THEIRS SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL!!! U GET THAT MAD, U SHOULDN'T BE ON HERE WRITING!!! AND THAT PERSON MAY HAVE BEEN RIGHT, HE MAY HAVE LIKED IT OR HE WAS JUST SCARED!! WHO KNOWS NONE OF US WAS THERE TO CLARIFY IT SO WE DON'T KNOW!! IT WILL ALL COME OUT SOON!! TO ME THE WHOLE STORY IS DISGUSTING AND FILTHY I SOMEWHAT BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A FIRST FOR CHRIS STOKES BEING ON THE DOWN LOW, HEARD THAT BEFORE!! BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THEY ALL NEED JESUS IN THEY LIFE! AND TO SAY SOMEONE MAKES U SICK??? GOD DOESN'T HATE PEOPLE SO WHY SHOULD U??? NOW THAT WASN'T REALLY A NICE THING TO SAY WAS IT YUD??? $$$ONE OF DALLAS TEXAS FINEST$$$ GET MONEY!!!
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[quote comment="21501"]And

[quote comment="21501"]And we're "shocked and surprised" that folks get molested in the black community? Gimme a break y'all. We can cut all the fake stuff...cuz it's happening in your own family....we ignore that but focus on the "celebrities"...uh ok. Where are the parents?? Oh...that's the thing...there are no more parents just fathers and mothers that want to be "friends" with their kids and not parents. They all need prayer...and oh, Merry Christmas.[/quote] AMEN TO THAT
SHAY's picture

This is a very serious

This is a very serious accusation and we should NOT in the year 2007 take these things lightly. If Chris Stokes molested Razz then the man needs to go to jail for the rest of his life. He has been in an arena where he has had access to young boys for years and if Omorion and Marques know then they all need to tell and support Razz. It makes me sick to think about the spirits of those that have been effected by side pedifile fools. On he other side of the coin, I would hate to think that this is a lie, too many of our people have been falsely accused of crimes that they did NOT commit, but I am not surprised over anything I hear these days. Too many folks have been living their lives using their lower halves and sexual molestations is a crime that lasts a lifetime. Do not think that ones you commit this crime it goes away, there is manipulation, fear, guilt, and anger that follows and stays with ones self for a lifetime and into your adult years. SO look deep in Razz face, he looks like he is very troubled and upset over SOMETHING? May god bless all the victims of this senseless crime. There are too many sick Mf'ers out here.
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[quote comment="21601"]I

[quote comment="21601"]I think he liked it for it to go on for so long. When you are fed up with taking abuse you won't take it any more I don't care who you are. When you're fed up you're fed up and I think he liked it. I have a problem with people who battle their own sexuality and I think that's what he is doing right now hiding behind God in a sense making excuses for not accepting that he is and aways will be gay saying "he's not gay" when it is obvious that all of those involve are gay to be allowing someone to touch you when you don't want to be touched. Learn to pick up a bottle or a brick and get out of there. Instead he allowed it to go for years and lied about it and kept it a secret until now. The question is why now with the reality show around the corner? I feel for the lil dude I do but he's gay and Chris was wrong but they all are wrong and it's no point in pointing the finger now when you were participating and loving it. They need Jesus all of them.[/quote] I'm surprised you weren't struck by lightning when you were writing that. Talking about "they need Jesus all of them". How about YOU need Jesus with your heartless, ignorant and twisted way of thinking! I can't for the life of me believe you wrote that. How old are you? And no, I am not trying to insult you but please I am utterly shocked. You... people like you are the reason abuse continues to occur in our world. So people that are abused and don't speak up about it till years later liked it all along? What? WHAT? They are all wrong because they participated in it??? Wow!!! I have so much to say but I think I'm also also lost for words. You make me SICK!!!
Yuds's picture

That picture is very

That picture is very disturbing!! There is definitely something to these allegations. No man and I mean no man, would fake a story like that to generate publicity.
BooKitty's picture

[quote comment="21570"]YUDS,

[quote comment="21570"]YUDS, that was incredibly well stated. Thank you. This whole situation is breaking my heart. My family and I used to run an urban kids ministry (black boys and girls from a single public housing community ages 5 - 10). Once my mom was teaching all the black boys in a class and we got on the subject of "boys touching girls" and why that was wrong (this was a Christian ministry). To our surprise, the boys started talking about "boys touching boys" and how their entire group of playmates had been engaging in male-male fondling, etc. A 7 year old was accused by a 5 year old of forcing him to "touch" and the 7 year old turned around to say the other older boys had been doing it to him and, in fact, they all did it. Nervous giggles followed by tears. It happens all the time and I respect these brothers for trying to get it out in the open. May God heal them.[/quote] Wow, I've never heard about anything like that, That's so crazy, sad and wrong in so many ways, that's why parents have to take active role in their children's lives, Why would the little boys even start doing that?!?!? Raz B: Why would any man lie about being molested by another man?!?! That's extremely emasculating to a man. I seriously doubt he would lie about something of this gravity. He would have to be insane!!!! Let the healing begin for all of them.
MW09's picture

I think the boys are

I think the boys are definitely trying to capitalize off of their situation in SOME way and are going about exposing Chris in the WRONG way but, I don't think they'd make up a humiliating story like this. Sadly, the idea that Chris could/would do this is not that shocking (especially to industry insiders) and I have NO problem believing it happened.
Nik's picture

It is hard for me to believe

It is hard for me to believe as a 'man' that Raz-B would bring false allegations towards another man for sexually molesting him. Regardless if he did not run away from him Raz-B was only a child in the care of a man that was supposed to care for him....how could you blame him? Instead the blame and fault should go on the molester. Sad.
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[quote comment="21617"]PaigeyWaigey WTF You talking about, you dont know shit about me or this fucking situation, I cant help how im attracted to dudes, shit i wish i wasnt but i am, 2nd i protect myself all the fucking time, third how you gon sit up and put ainds in the mix...I dont fuck dudes and girls at the same time.... if im with a girl im with her, if im with a dude i m with the dudes, never doing it behind nobody back. Its Yo one minded ass that got the shit all twisted up, and for you to call me nasty for it, is bullshit. How you gon say muthafuckas look str8?, how do you lokk str8?....how about i dont act like females because im a DUDE. Dont sit up and think because I'm BI...that I'm suppose to act like a girl cuz that is not in me...then dont sit up and call me gay either for this reason....I LIKE DUDES...I LOVE GIRLS= BISEXUAL, If i was GAY they I wouldnt like females...sit up a learn some shit about how all this goes down before you add yo one minded opinion because thats what it is.....ALSO you pointing talkin about ladies these dudes doing this these dudes doing that if you want to honest truth as of lately im finding that the ladies are starting to be waaaaaay more scandolous nowadays.......My homeboy come home afta woring to jobs to support this chcik he was with only to find her in bed with a nother chick, another kat married this women only to find out she was fucking his uncle....so further more ladies all ya'll need to do is watch yoself from any case and that goes for the fellas to, because shit can happen to anybody in anyway......and to Robin I appreciate yo comment, and as far as those women who are getting STD's from they DL husband and/or BF. I feel people should use condoms at all the time, and those dudes are selfish because I think that you can be BI and married, but you can't be married and fuck around....you shouldnt be fucking around with dudes or women for that matter if you married.... but I just had to add this because that other comment was really a one mineded comment that needed to be answered...[/quote] Thanx again for your comment. I am glad u r being safe. I am happily married to a man. Funny or about time, things do change, the state I live in has a registry for same sex marriage so they can share work benefits, and be identified as a couple. I say everyone beit same sex or opposite should have the joy and downfalls of marriage. I am not one to judge but to learn. How can I judge when I am a (what they call bastard child) of a biracial couple. (bth) my parents did marry when I was a toddler. We all learn from each other.
Robin's picture

Jay-Z said out of his own

Jay-Z said out of his own mouth that "despite the RUMORS, he is not leaving Def Jam" this was said on MTV Jay-Z special "Storytelling" and how would this make any sense???....He just came out with a new album that did very well and sold out in seconds of his upcoming concerts. Can we say, don't believe the hype
D♥YBF's picture

OK IM A LITLE CONFUSED BUT

OK IM A LITLE CONFUSED BUT CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME IF HE IS SAYING JUS CHRIS DID IT TO HIM OR MARCUS AND CHRIS..THE VIDEO WASNT THAT CLEAR CUZ IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS EDITED
LALA's picture

This is exactly why victims

This is exactly why victims of abuse are too afraid and ashamed to speak about their abusers. Too many people are so judgemental of how or what is the "normal" way to respond to such situations and condemn the victim for being a victim. I personally commend him for his bravery to come out and speak on this matter.
MIMOSA's picture

PaigeyWaigey WTF You talking

PaigeyWaigey WTF You talking about, you dont know shit about me or this fucking situation, I cant help how im attracted to dudes, shit i wish i wasnt but i am, 2nd i protect myself all the fucking time, third how you gon sit up and put ainds in the mix...I dont fuck dudes and girls at the same time.... if im with a girl im with her, if im with a dude i m with the dudes, never doing it behind nobody back. Its Yo one minded ass that got the shit all twisted up, and for you to call me nasty for it, is bullshit. How you gon say muthafuckas look str8?, how do you lokk str8?....how about i dont act like females because im a DUDE. Dont sit up and think because I'm BI...that I'm suppose to act like a girl cuz that is not in me...then dont sit up and call me gay either for this reason....I LIKE DUDES...I LOVE GIRLS= BISEXUAL, If i was GAY they I wouldnt like females...sit up a learn some shit about how all this goes down before you add yo one minded opinion because thats what it is.....ALSO you pointing talkin about ladies these dudes doing this these dudes doing that if you want to honest truth as of lately im finding that the ladies are starting to be waaaaaay more scandolous nowadays.......My homeboy come home afta woring to jobs to support this chcik he was with only to find her in bed with a nother chick, another kat married this women only to find out she was fucking his uncle....so further more ladies all ya'll need to do is watch yoself from any case and that goes for the fellas to, because shit can happen to anybody in anyway......and to Robin I appreciate yo comment, and as far as those women who are getting STD's from they DL husband and/or BF. I feel people should use condoms at all the time, and those dudes are selfish because I think that you can be BI and married, but you can't be married and fuck around....you shouldnt be fucking around with dudes or women for that matter if you married.... but I just had to add this because that other comment was really a one mineded comment that needed to be answered...
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[quote comment="21610"][quote

[quote comment="21610"][quote comment="21605"][quote comment="21601"]I think he liked it for it to go on for so long. When you are fed up with taking abuse you won't take it any more I don't care who you are. When you're fed up you're fed up and I think he liked it. I have a problem with people who battle their own sexuality and I think that's what he is doing right now hiding behind God in a sense making excuses for not accepting that he is and aways will be gay saying "he's not gay" when it is obvious that all of those involve are gay to be allowing someone to touch you when you don't want to be touched. Learn to pick up a bottle or a brick and get out of there. Instead he allowed it to go for years and lied about it and kept it a secret until now. The question is why now with the reality show around the corner? I feel for the lil dude I do but he's gay and Chris was wrong but they all are wrong and it's no point in pointing the finger now when you were participating and loving it. They need Jesus all of them.[/quote] Everyone has such great points on this subject. When a woman gives up sex for "tracks" noone says anything but she's a ho. (she too was forced into a sex act that was pressured). Now that this is out it's out on the mans side it is rape and molestation. To aspire a career and to have to have sex with someone to do it is really "selling/pimping out yourself. Still a sad thing. Where r the values and morals?[/quote] Are yall crazy or ignorant? No one likes abuse! He was a child. Yall sound like abusers. How is a child or anyone going to "like and love" being raped or molested or abused in any way. They don't like that. And DaTruth, a child who is molested does not "allow" it to go on. The child is just listening to the the adult. Children dont make good decisions thats why we have to protect them and not molest them. It probably went on for so long because they were probably mentally abused and brainwashed. Look at Omarion, he is brainwashed and he and Bow Wow are suspect too. Even if Raz B is "battling his own sexuality" as you put it, he was still MOLESTED by another man. Chris Stokes is a CHESTER and his gay ass needs a prison cell right next to R-Kelly! And Robin, you need to re-read your own comment. You said "When a WOMAN GIVES UP sex..." First of all, a WOMAN is grown and can make her own hoe ass decisions...If that hoe wants to fu*k for tracks let the hoe be a hoe and fuc*k for tracks. Also, a woman can't be raped if she GIVES it up. Raz B was a CHILD and he didnt GIVE UP anything...it was taken from him. Chris got those kids involved because he is a Chester and he wanted to molest them. He is a pedophile and should be in prison. On another note, Raz B and Chris Stokes are real life cousins right?[/quote] Wow, everyone has an opinion. We have to remember that "hoing out yourself" and being raped and molested r all different. To Ho yourself out means just that. to be raped means there was penitration and to be molested means inapproriate touching. I do think that Raz and Chris r cousins
Robin's picture

Damn! I can't believe that a

Damn! I can't believe that a man would make this up for publicity. It's sad all the way around.
Traere's picture

the US is finished!!! another

the US is finished!!! another sodom and gomorrah... what a country!
topity's picture

UMM YEAH REALLY UPSET ABOUT

UMM YEAH REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS ONE........WHATS NEXT..
Queen of Film's picture

UMM YEAH REALLY UPSET ABOUT

UMM YEAH REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS ONE........WHATS NEXT....
Queen of Film's picture

[quote comment="21605"][quote

[quote comment="21605"][quote comment="21601"]I think he liked it for it to go on for so long. When you are fed up with taking abuse you won't take it any more I don't care who you are. When you're fed up you're fed up and I think he liked it. I have a problem with people who battle their own sexuality and I think that's what he is doing right now hiding behind God in a sense making excuses for not accepting that he is and aways will be gay saying "he's not gay" when it is obvious that all of those involve are gay to be allowing someone to touch you when you don't want to be touched. Learn to pick up a bottle or a brick and get out of there. Instead he allowed it to go for years and lied about it and kept it a secret until now. The question is why now with the reality show around the corner? I feel for the lil dude I do but he's gay and Chris was wrong but they all are wrong and it's no point in pointing the finger now when you were participating and loving it. They need Jesus all of them.[/quote] Everyone has such great points on this subject. When a woman gives up sex for "tracks" noone says anything but she's a ho. (she too was forced into a sex act that was pressured). Now that this is out it's out on the mans side it is rape and molestation. To aspire a career and to have to have sex with someone to do it is really "selling/pimping out yourself. Still a sad thing. Where r the values and morals?[/quote] Are yall crazy or ignorant? No one likes abuse! He was a child. Yall sound like abusers. How is a child or anyone going to "like and love" being raped or molested or abused in any way. They don't like that. And DaTruth, a child who is molested does not "allow" it to go on. The child is just listening to the the adult. Children dont make good decisions thats why we have to protect them and not molest them. It probably went on for so long because they were probably mentally abused and brainwashed. Look at Omarion, he is brainwashed and he and Bow Wow are suspect too. Even if Raz B is "battling his own sexuality" as you put it, he was still MOLESTED by another man. Chris Stokes is a CHESTER and his gay ass needs a prison cell right next to R-Kelly! And Robin, you need to re-read your own comment. You said "When a WOMAN GIVES UP sex..." First of all, a WOMAN is grown and can make her own hoe ass decisions...If that hoe wants to fu*k for tracks let the hoe be a hoe and fuc*k for tracks. Also, a woman can't be raped if she GIVES it up. Raz B was a CHILD and he didnt GIVE UP anything...it was taken from him. Chris got those kids involved because he is a Chester and he wanted to molest them. He is a pedophile and should be in prison. On another note, Raz B and Chris Stokes are real life cousins right?
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[quote comment="21606"][quote

[quote comment="21606"][quote comment="21533"]that whole b2k thing is clearly fabrication for a number of reasons I am just too tired to get into. I really hope Chris Stokes sues the hell out of them....[/quote][quote comment="21597"]First off I think what happened to Raz-B is fucked up...and I hope Chris Stokes get whats coming to him.As far as anyone liking it, I think MH and Omarion like it and does it.And I do think O and Bow Wow got something going on but thats a different story. As far as the Manhood thing goes....Just because you bedn ova for a dude does not define your manhood. And also doeant mean U automaticlly feminine. I'm a dude who is Bi...but I'm on the DL, I feel that my man hood is only what i make it, i dress thuggish, my style is hood, that just because thats how i was raised, and where i come from, thats just me, im not portrying anything i'm not because I'm Bi, the reason I'm DL is because I dont feel like it's anyones busy what I do with men, I still LOVE women always will. Do I think Raz-B manhood was fucked with?..yes I do because that was his first sexual encouter, and it was forced, that would fuck with anyones head. If he did it later when he was older and actually wanted then no that wouldnt be damaging to his man hood, but being rape, yes that is damaging. Not only is it fucked up he was raped, it messed up he was raped by his own cuzzin who is waaaayyy older and knows better. And MH I believe Chris raped him first and then MH just got into, and now he likes it and start doing what Chris does. All I know is Chris and MH is going to get whats coming to them '08 is going to be crazy.....[/quote] You nasty and i'gnant and GAY! See ladies this is why you gotta protect yourself, these men are out here looking and acting straight and then leave you and go phuck their buddy in the azz between bouts of XBOX...I don't care how you try and sugar coat it, your gay...bi-sexual is just a term for muthaphuckas who is nasty and too damn scared to just say they are gay and are mainly SELFISH individuals...pick one side and stay there. And the same goes for folks who can't be faithful to their partners gay or straight, ya'll muthaphuckas are raising the damn AIDS rates too!! PROTECT ya' selfs people![/quote] Damn, I was trying to be nice with my comment. Thank You for not being. I will agree with you. Ppl, pick a team. I have both gay and lesbian friends. As long as they do not try to convert me, they are still my friends. Only ppl in our bedroom is me and my husband. I loved the word u used "selfish" it is selfish to give/share yourself with others with out telling the main person in your life. For man to leave a woman for a dude is worse than them leaving for another woman. Probably makes a woman feel that she was not woman enough for/to her man. Either way, I just say. It is almost 2008 'come out of the closet ppl" be true to u.
Robin's picture

I GOT SO HEATED I FORGOT

I GOT SO HEATED I FORGOT ABOUT KRISSY'S COMMENT.... WHY YOU GONNA COME IN HERE AND SAY THAT AND NOT PUT OUT WHY YOU THINK WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS FALSE....GO GET SOME REST AND COME BACK WITH YOUR THEORY CAUSE I WANNA HEAR IT..I REALLY WANNA KNOW WHY FOLKS WOULD THINK WHAT YOUR THINKING...TRUE UTUBE IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST FORUM BUT BUT BUT IT IS A WAY TO SAY WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY TO THE WORLD, BECAUSE MAYBE HE'S BEEN TRYING TO TELL HIS STORY AND NO ONE HAS BEEN LISTENING...IF THIS IS TRUE AND NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY I CAN SEE THAT AS BEING VERY HURTFUL...BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRUTH TO SOMETHING HE IS SAYING, OTHERWISE WHY WOULD YOU PUT YOURSELF ON FRONT STREET WITH SOMETHING AS PERSONAL AND HURTFUL AS THIS IF IT WERE FALSE? ESPECIALLY AS A MAN IN OUR SOCIETY, MOST MEN WOULD KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES AND JUST SUFFER IN SILENCE...SAD BUT TRUE. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW I AM NOT ATTACKING YOU, JUST WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY CHICA....
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[quote comment="21533"]that

[quote comment="21533"]that whole b2k thing is clearly fabrication for a number of reasons I am just too tired to get into. I really hope Chris Stokes sues the hell out of them....[/quote][quote comment="21597"]First off I think what happened to Raz-B is fucked up...and I hope Chris Stokes get whats coming to him.As far as anyone liking it, I think MH and Omarion like it and does it.And I do think O and Bow Wow got something going on but thats a different story. As far as the Manhood thing goes....Just because you bedn ova for a dude does not define your manhood. And also doeant mean U automaticlly feminine. I'm a dude who is Bi...but I'm on the DL, I feel that my man hood is only what i make it, i dress thuggish, my style is hood, that just because thats how i was raised, and where i come from, thats just me, im not portrying anything i'm not because I'm Bi, the reason I'm DL is because I dont feel like it's anyones busy what I do with men, I still LOVE women always will. Do I think Raz-B manhood was fucked with?..yes I do because that was his first sexual encouter, and it was forced, that would fuck with anyones head. If he did it later when he was older and actually wanted then no that wouldnt be damaging to his man hood, but being rape, yes that is damaging. Not only is it fucked up he was raped, it messed up he was raped by his own cuzzin who is waaaayyy older and knows better. And MH I believe Chris raped him first and then MH just got into, and now he likes it and start doing what Chris does. All I know is Chris and MH is going to get whats coming to them '08 is going to be crazy.....[/quote] You nasty and i'gnant and GAY! See ladies this is why you gotta protect yourself, these men are out here looking and acting straight and then leave you and go phuck their buddy in the azz between bouts of XBOX...I don't care how you try and sugar coat it, your gay...bi-sexual is just a term for muthaphuckas who is nasty and too damn scared to just say they are gay and are mainly SELFISH individuals...pick one side and stay there. And the same goes for folks who can't be faithful to their partners gay or straight, ya'll muthaphuckas are raising the damn AIDS rates too!! PROTECT ya' selfs people!
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[quote comment="21601"]I

[quote comment="21601"]I think he liked it for it to go on for so long. When you are fed up with taking abuse you won't take it any more I don't care who you are. When you're fed up you're fed up and I think he liked it. I have a problem with people who battle their own sexuality and I think that's what he is doing right now hiding behind God in a sense making excuses for not accepting that he is and aways will be gay saying "he's not gay" when it is obvious that all of those involve are gay to be allowing someone to touch you when you don't want to be touched. Learn to pick up a bottle or a brick and get out of there. Instead he allowed it to go for years and lied about it and kept it a secret until now. The question is why now with the reality show around the corner? I feel for the lil dude I do but he's gay and Chris was wrong but they all are wrong and it's no point in pointing the finger now when you were participating and loving it. They need Jesus all of them.[/quote] Everyone has such great points on this subject. When a woman gives up sex for "tracks" noone says anything but she's a ho. (she too was forced into a sex act that was pressured). Now that this is out it's out on the mans side it is rape and molestation. To aspire a career and to have to have sex with someone to do it is really "selling/pimping out yourself. Still a sad thing. Where r the values and morals?
Robin's picture

[quote comment="21597"]First

[quote comment="21597"]First off I think what happened to Raz-B is fucked up...and I hope Chris Stokes get whats coming to him.As far as anyone liking it, I think MH and Omarion like it and does it.And I do think O and Bow Wow got something going on but thats a different story. As far as the Manhood thing goes....Just because you bedn ova for a dude does not define your manhood. And also doeant mean U automaticlly feminine. I'm a dude who is Bi...but I'm on the DL, I feel that my man hood is only what i make it, i dress thuggish, my style is hood, that just because thats how i was raised, and where i come from, thats just me, im not portrying anything i'm not because I'm Bi, the reason I'm DL is because I dont feel like it's anyones busy what I do with men, I still LOVE women always will. Do I think Raz-B manhood was fucked with?..yes I do because that was his first sexual encouter, and it was forced, that would fuck with anyones head. If he did it later when he was older and actually wanted then no that wouldnt be damaging to his man hood, but being rape, yes that is damaging. Not only is it fucked up he was raped, it messed up he was raped by his own cuzzin who is waaaayyy older and knows better. And MH I believe Chris raped him first and then MH just got into, and now he likes it and start doing what Chris does. All I know is Chris and MH is going to get whats coming to them '08 is going to be crazy.....[/quote] I appreciate your comment, but also scared by it. To be on the DL is your choice. Just hope you wrap it up. The most increasing thing right now is "sistas" getting AIDS from a DL brotha./husband. Not fair to the wife/booty call baby mama if u know what u do and she doesn't. Noone should die for sex. Life is short and everyone should be informed to move on or stay and be protected. Happy Holidays. Once again, loved your honest comment. Hope u r playing it safe.
Robin's picture

I believe all the stuff about

I believe all the stuff about what happened is true this Raz-B and Chris Stokes. It is suspect the way it came out though. I have reason to believe that Raz and his brother didn't really want to hurt Chris as far as sending him to jail but rather throw heat on him for disrespecting their mother and not letting them into the party. I think this was retaliation from that that's all because if it was all that seriuos why didn't they take him to court but instead opt. to make light of the situation the way they did on youtube and why they haven't dragged any of the other members in it as well giving names, times and places of other people involved? Remember Raz denied it a while back when asked and now he's bringing it to light come on? If something like that happened to me I'm bringing everybody dowm with me forget all that. I'm putting it all out there not just some stuff.
4real's picture

I think he liked it for it to

I think he liked it for it to go on for so long. When you are fed up with taking abuse you won't take it any more I don't care who you are. When you're fed up you're fed up and I think he liked it. I have a problem with people who battle their own sexuality and I think that's what he is doing right now hiding behind God in a sense making excuses for not accepting that he is and aways will be gay saying "he's not gay" when it is obvious that all of those involve are gay to be allowing someone to touch you when you don't want to be touched. Learn to pick up a bottle or a brick and get out of there. Instead he allowed it to go for years and lied about it and kept it a secret until now. The question is why now with the reality show around the corner? I feel for the lil dude I do but he's gay and Chris was wrong but they all are wrong and it's no point in pointing the finger now when you were participating and loving it. They need Jesus all of them.
DATRUTH's picture

Damn this is a crazy

Damn this is a crazy situation, but I do think it's true, something always felt off about Chris Stokes when B2k first came out. Not they way he looked but they way he handled things, it just didn't seem right.
Q's picture

[quote comment="21667"][quote

[quote comment="21667"][quote comment="21662"][quote comment="21655"]I just dont know what to say about this all of them need to get the lord in their life for the new year. take it to the man above.[/quote] ...The vast majority of the "down-low" brothers and Gays for that matter are seriously in the chruch...just thought you should know![/quote] You can't be serious with this comment. What does gays and DL's being in the church have anything to do with having the Lord in your life?? Such ignorance!!! So are you saying just because there are gays in the church, you shouldn't give praise to the most high? Just remember that God is a jealous God.[/quote] No nut, God isn't jealous...that's a human or rather animalic emotion. You (and many others) took that saying out of context like you took my statement out of context. The original post stated that folks needed the lord...my statement went on to say that many of the people who engange in these behaviors are practicing Christians. Comprehend when ya' read honey especially if your going to call others ingnorant! PS- "What does gays and DL's being in the church have anything to do with having the Lord in your life??" You tell me, the Bible talks about town call sodem-gormora (think that's how it's spelled) that was destoryed because of it's "behaviors"-the term sodemy comes from the town...so again you tell me!
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[quote comment="21590"][quote

[quote comment="21590"][quote comment="21568"][quote comment="21562"]They need more people! The way they told the story about being molested doesn't ring true. I know quite a few people who were molested as kids, and the pain in their eyes and emotional way they talk about being molested are distinctive. Ricky and Raz both talk about being raped but it doesn't seem genuine it's more like bad acting. Where is the anger? Where is the emotion? Why wasn't there a true confrontation where they rolled up on Chris and beat him down? They had Chris on the phone and didn't bring up being molested by him. Instead, they are talking about why their mom wasn't allowed into the party, and meeting for lunch so that they can talk. Then he's telling his "molester" how much he loves him, that some bullish. It's also suspect that the phone conversation with Chris wasn't shown from the beginning. They edited the tape and only show Chris' statement about not being how he use to be. That could mean a million different things and have nothing to do with being accused of being a child molester. They also edited the conversation between Raz and Marques' sisters. It was clear that they didn't believe him. Why not call Marques directly and say you molested me when I was 12. It's obvious that he has the number. That would have made the most sense to me. If the allegations are true, the way Raz and his brother presented this story on Youtube doesn't make it believable.[/quote] Please please brother don't sound ignorant like this. Go back and read everything you just wrote. When did coming out about any form of abuse have a manual to it?So you looked for the "pain in the eyes" and "emotional way" distinct to abuse confessions in the video... didn't see it and came up with the conclusion that this is false. Your argument is choppy and you are picking around everything that doesn't matter. It also pisses me off when you say "they"... I think we are clear that Raz B's brother Ricardo doesn't seem to have his head on straight. He was concerned with everything BUT the alleged molestation. Raz B on the other hand looks and sounds very sober. Hell, even the people on the phone with Raz B that are supposedly Marques's family members sound like deep down in their hearts they know what had been going on. A typical shocked family would curse out Raz B for such accusations and hang up the phone... not continue the phone conversation and say I'm sorry if he did that to you... but I have to side with my brother. WTF? No matter what our opinions are... why they used youtube as an outlet, someone rolling a blunt, blah de blah blah blah... The fact is that those allegations are being made for incidents that occured when Raz B was a minor... a kid. I am a school teacher and if we so much as 'suspect' abuse, we are legally bound by law to report it... the children are immedaitely removed from their homes until a proper investigation is carried out. So many children have died because that last abuse killed them so the system is trying to be above reproach. So we should be the same... have some sympathy... until this is tried in court and justice is served, we should all be on the side of the little child. You hope and pray that one day your child or younger sibbling does not endure the pain of abuse and have someone give an opinion of it. It's abuse and it's a sensitive matter. It's shit like this that lets assholes like R. Kelly do whatever the crap he wants and get away with it. "Well the girl shouldn't have been there anyway"... "well the girl lied about her age"... "well she was being a golddigger and a groupie so she gets what she deserved". What kind of cageman mentality is that? Children will always make stupid choices but it is our duty to protect them. And maybe they won't have been prone to make those stupid mistakes if we raised them well in the first place and gave them a chance live normaL healthy children lives!!! Oh don't get me started. Like I said, God help us all.[/quote] Your response to my comments doesn't match what I wrote. I didn't just go by their lack of anger and emotion when I concluded that they need more people. I listened to and watched both tapes, and the cavalier way Ricky tells his story of abuse, isn't typical. Raz B stated he was abused by both Chris and Marques, but didn't blame Marques for abusing him, it's all Chris Stokes fault. I simply don't believe their story outright because of the way it was presented. If the purpose of this video was to put them on blast for sexual abuse, why wasn't Chris accused of the abuse over the phone for the public to hear it? What made it suspect was the editing of Chris'statement. The beginning of what was said by Ricky, and what Chris was responding to, was taken out of the video. That makes me think that Raz and Ricky are purposely misleading the public. In order to change my opinion, this tape would need to be re-released unedited and show the full conversation between Ricky and Chris. I also noticed that Marques Houston was never contacted directly, Raz allegedly called his sister. Again I want to know why Raz didn't call up Marques and directly accuse him of raping him. Neither Raz nor Ricky did anything to prove that they were abused by Chris and Marques when they had the perfect opportunity to do so. I'm not saying their abuse allegations are untrue, but I can't get past how they edited out key pieces of information.[/quote] YUDS and KI...i think you both pointed out some key issues. but in the end, i do not think its fair to base ones actions on what someone else may have done. so what their methods don't go along with what YOU THINK is a normal reaction??!! everyone has their own unique way of coping with (alleged) trauma such as this. there is NO BLUEPRINT on how somebody should go about addressing the issue. true...there are a lot of holes in this story which makes it easy to pick it apart and call them liars. but in my opinion, and in my heart, i sadly have a feeling some of this is true. which is tragic indeed. either way, it's a sad tale...IF they were molested OR IF these two guys are so bitter and hurt enough to make up such a story and go to these lengths to get it out there. i'll pray for ALL of them cuz somebody somewhere has crossed the line.
Lay33's picture

First off I think what

First off I think what happened to Raz-B is fucked up...and I hope Chris Stokes get whats coming to him.As far as anyone liking it, I think MH and Omarion like it and does it.And I do think O and Bow Wow got something going on but thats a different story. As far as the Manhood thing goes....Just because you bedn ova for a dude does not define your manhood. And also doeant mean U automaticlly feminine. I'm a dude who is Bi...but I'm on the DL, I feel that my man hood is only what i make it, i dress thuggish, my style is hood, that just because thats how i was raised, and where i come from, thats just me, im not portrying anything i'm not because I'm Bi, the reason I'm DL is because I dont feel like it's anyones busy what I do with men, I still LOVE women always will. Do I think Raz-B manhood was fucked with?..yes I do because that was his first sexual encouter, and it was forced, that would fuck with anyones head. If he did it later when he was older and actually wanted then no that wouldnt be damaging to his man hood, but being rape, yes that is damaging. Not only is it fucked up he was raped, it messed up he was raped by his own cuzzin who is waaaayyy older and knows better. And MH I believe Chris raped him first and then MH just got into, and now he likes it and start doing what Chris does. All I know is Chris and MH is going to get whats coming to them '08 is going to be crazy.....
Private's picture

I believe all the stuff about

I believe all the stuff about what happened is true this Raz-B and Chris Stokes. It is suspect the way it came out though. I have reason to believe that Raz and his brother didn't really want to hurt Chris as far as sending him to jail but rather throw heat on him for disrespecting their mother and not letting them into the party. I think this was retaliation from that that's all because if it was all that seriuos why didn't they take him to court but instead opt. to make light of the situation the way they did on youtube and why they haven't dragged any of the other members in it as well giving names, times and places of other people involved? Remember Raz denied it a while back when asked and now he's bringing it to light come on? If something like that happened to me I'm bringing everybody dowm with me forget all that. I'm putting it all out there not just some stuff.
DATRUTH's picture

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Private's picture

I don't know any of the ppl

I don't know any of the ppl we are talking about. For a grown ass man to say this, is not easy. What does he have to gain I think he has more to lose. This is why I believe him. This is a topic that ppl don't want to talk about. It does happen all too often. Especially within the family. Ppl handle it in their own way. He is rolling a blunt, some ppl drink and others r advocates. He may talk about it in a "matter of fact way" along with cussing. Whatever happened to him he does have to live and deal with it. It does not matter where he said it.(Youtube). It is out there now. So maybe now that it is out there he can help those to tell or confess. To be molested makes some want the same sex relationship, go bi or repeat the cycle. Another thing blacks folks r uncomfortable talking about is "mental health issues" and 'seeing a therapist.
Robin's picture

[quote comment="21498"]Is

[quote comment="21498"]Is "diffuting" a legal term?[/quote] ha ha! they probably meant diffuse or refute, which both would work in this context.
djd's picture

I don't know, but for some

I don't know, but for some odd reason, I believe every word those boys are saying
SERIOUSLY?'s picture

SoSweet85 wrote: "Be glad he

SoSweet85 wrote: "Be glad he was rolling a blunt and not loading a gun and making a suicide video tape. Real talk." Very true indeed.
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